Boston Butt

/ Boston Butt #61  
If you have the upright Brinkman with 2 grates and a water pan, you should be able to get a good slab of ribs; just make sure that you can maintain a temperature of about 250 degrees. If you maintain the water pan, it will mitigate the heat so it doesn't get too hot. My concern with the Brinkman I had was keeping the temperature up.

I take my ribs (baby backs usually) and rub them down with my special rub blend; Cains makes a good rub, and Bad Byron's Butt Rubb is good also, just a tad hot. I first spray them down with some olive oil, and apply a generous amount of rub and them I put them in an oven bag over night. Set them out an hour or so early to let them warm up a bit before putting them on the grill.

I use a mixture of well seasoned Mesquite wood, Pecan and blackjack oak. I put on enough to make a lot of smoke early, and don't add any more. Mesquite is pretty strong, and it will make your meat bitter if you use too much, as will green wood. I do not soak my wood.

It's up to you to decide when they are done; usually always less than 3 hours in the egg. Full slabs of spare ribs usually take about 4 hours or less.

Good luck.

"the upright Brinkman with 2 grates and a water pan"
Yup, that's the one. My best guess is too much smoke which causes the bitter taste. And I did soak my wood as the instructions on the package suggested.
This idea of pre pressure cooking is interesting.
I've not run into this rub you speak of. Not sure how I would approach that...
"Excuse me, do you have Bad Byron's Butt Rubb"?
On one hand someone might consider it a rather personal question of hygiene. Or perhaps they would just lead me down to ointments and suggest, "Bag Balm".
Probably best if I just quietly peruse the seasoning isle.
Thanks for the tip.
 
/ Boston Butt #62  
Come to think of it, there is a certain amount of irony involved in purchasing a chicken that is dressed, wrapped and bearing the label "Smart Chicken"...:D

Our chickens are obviously Geniuses....
1. They are pets good only for eggs.
2. They cost danged little per pound but cost me a small fortune in feed and house.
3. The Chicken Geniuses are walked daily around the yard guarded by the wifey and child.
4. When not out for their guarded daily walk, the Chicken Geniuses, eat, drink, scat, sleep, and squawk.
5. See 1. I can't eat them since they are pets.

Who B Smarter? Me or the Genius Chickens. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Later,
Dan
 
/ Boston Butt #63  
"the upright Brinkman with 2 grates and a water pan"
Yup, that's the one. My best guess is too much smoke which causes the bitter taste. And I did soak my wood as the instructions on the package suggested.
This idea of pre pressure cooking is interesting.
I've not run into this rub you speak of. Not sure how I would approach that...
"Excuse me, do you have Bad Byron's Butt Rubb"?
On one hand someone might consider it a rather personal question of hygiene. Or perhaps they would just lead me down to ointments and suggest, "Bag Balm".
Probably best if I just quietly peruse the seasoning isle.
Thanks for the tip.

Just be careful to not mix up the hemorrhoid cream and the pork seasoning. That could be bad for a couple of reasons depending on which went were. :shocked::laughing::laughing::laughing:

When I grill it really is smoking the meat. I use wood chips from splitting wood to get coals and to keep the fire sorta going. I toss in branches that have fallen from the mostly oak trees as well as more wood chip to generate smoke and heat but mostly smoke. I don't use the water bath though my grill has one. I just make a very small fire and keep that small fire going for cooking. Our kids are very picky eaters and will only eat the loin or ribs smoked on the grill. If the meat was bitter they would not eat it. Loin is faster to cook than ribs. Frankly, I look at the cost of ribs and move on to loin. :licking::laughing::2cents: Ribs are expensive for the amount of meat.

It does amazes me a bit how much experience it takes to get the fire just right to cook. Not too hot, but at the right temperature, producing smoke, but not killing the fire. Interesting balancing act that seems to work best with beer. :laughing:

Later,
Dan
 
/ Boston Butt #64  
I knew I would be chastized and if you would rather cook for 6 hours instead of 1 be my guest. I will gaurantee my ribs would win any contest though. Turns out pressure cooking is fantastic at breaking down tough meat. Try my method then criticize.

We are just funnin ya! :laughing: fyi It is not allowed to par boil or pre-cook any meat in any contest I am aware of. Not saying the results are any less spectacular just not allowed so hey do what you you like to do its the results that are important right! :thumbsup:

fwtw I cook (and so do most BBQ contest cooks I know of) 2.75-3.25# slabs of St Louis cut ribs @ 250-275 for 2.5 hours then wrap them in foil (this is what we do to tenderize ours) for 1 hour with butter and brown sugar and a pinch of cinnamon in the foil and then pull them out of the foil and glaze them and put back on smoker for 15 minutes. And we have won quite a few rib awards in KCBS contests and backyard contests also fwtw.
 
/ Boston Butt #65  
"the upright Brinkman with 2 grates and a water pan"
Yup, that's the one. My best guess is too much smoke which causes the bitter taste. And I did soak my wood as the instructions on the package suggested.
This idea of pre pressure cooking is interesting.
I've not run into this rub you speak of. Not sure how I would approach that...
"Excuse me, do you have Bad Byron's Butt Rubb"?
On one hand someone might consider it a rather personal question of hygiene. Or perhaps they would just lead me down to ointments and suggest, "Bag Balm".
Probably best if I just quietly peruse the seasoning isle.
Thanks for the tip.

Bad Byron's Butt Rubb:

bad byron's butt rub - Google Search

The Cain's BBQ spice is good also, but not sure it's available in your area.


My recipe for dry rib rub:

D.G.'s #1 Rib Rub

1 Cup Paprika
2/3 Cup Black pepper ( mix of regular and coarse ground)
1/2 Cup Granulated Garlic
3 TBSP Salt (fine sea salt; no Iodine added)
3 TBSP Granulated Onion
3 TBSP Chipotle Powder


D.G.'s #2 Rib Rub

1 Cup Paprika
2/3 Cup Black Pepper (mix of regular and coarse ground)
1/2 Cup Granulated Garlic
1/3 Cup Brown Sugar (light)
1/3 Cup white Sugar
1/3 Cup Ginger
3 TBSP Salt (fine sea salt; no Iodine added)
3 TBSP Granulated Onion
3 TBSP Chipotle Powder
1 TBSP Lemon Pepper

The #1 is as close to Bad Byron's Butt Rubb as I could get; very good, but a tad hot for most folks. The #2 is better than any I have been able to buy; not too hot, not too sweet.
 
/ Boston Butt #66  
I started out grilling and burning ribs back in the 70's...then I learned to cook them off the open flame...I tried par boiling them and it did make grill time shorter...for sure...but in my humble opinion it boiled out most of the fat that bastes the ribs on the grill as it cooks and as a result it boiled out the taste...So , I began to grill my ribs just as Car Doc has described in his post above...I use hickory or oak chips on my gas grill for 2 to 3 hrs. then wrap them in foil with some apple cider vinegar mixed with my local grocery store brand BBQ sauce and they come out falling off the bone good....But however you make your ribs they are great as long as you don't burn them like I used to ...LOL
 
/ Boston Butt #67  
Since we are sharing recipes etc fwtw :licking: my rub of choice is Smokin Guns hot rub and my favorite BBQ sauce is a mix of 1/2 Blues Hog and 1/2 Curly's Hickory BBQ sauces. I use several of ObieQues rubs too from Texas especially as a layered rub when doing briskets along with the Guns rub.

My pork spritz is 1- 12 oz can of pineapple juice,1/2 bottle each of garlic juice and onion juice, a heaping tbsp of MSG (Accent) and 1/4 bottle of tabasco and a half bottle of pure maple syrup. I also use Hickory pellets in my smoker is a modified 125 Traeger.
 
/ Boston Butt #68  
The difference in taste is quite apparent; and they cook up on the smoker exceptionally well. Briskit...well...that's another story. I have had outstanding successes and dismal failures with briskit. At $30 a pop, I don't like failure.

Yeah $30 sounds like a lot to some folks briskets are quite expensive true. We normally pay about $5-6 a pound for plain old CAB briskets (certified black angus briskets) in USDA choice. And most guys use packers which are un-trimmed and weigh between 16 and 18 lbs we normally wet age them for about 50 days also before a contest. fwtw

fwtw If a person can swing the money Japanese wagu (sp?) and USDA prime briskets will run a whole lot more than that a whole lot more and are worth every penny so long as you get them cooked right. :licking:

edit: this is why I always go thru the cases of big cuts at sams and the meat stores etc so I can pick my own cuts. quite often a prime brisket will get thru and some choice cuts are indistinguishable from prime its the feel of the cut the "flex" and mainly the fat striations and overall thickness for slicing properly you look for to compare cuts and no knife cuts anywhere on them to mess you up at turn in time. fwtw
 
/ Boston Butt #69  
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fwtw If a person can swing the money Japanese wagu (sp?) and USDA prime briskets will run a whole lot more than that a whole lot more and are worth every penny so long as you get them cooked right. :licking:
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On vacation awhile back, I had a couple of sushi sized pieces of Wagyu beef. I don't know if it was from Japan or raise in the US though but it was sure GREAT eating. Expensive but GREAT. Just about melted in your mouth and it was all but raw. :licking::licking::licking:

A year or so ago, a local rancher was selling beef out of her trailer. :laughing: Yeah, yeah, I know but she was legit and was selling at the various farmers markets. She had a steak that was thick and very marbled. It was the best looking steak I had ever seen. I forgot how much it cost but it was worth every danged penny. I smoked/grilled it and it was Yum Yum Yummy! :licking::licking::licking: I can't decide if the Wagyu or this steak was better. It would take a taste test. I do know which one I can easily and more cheaply buy. :D

The rancher told me a story about a lady that bought some hamburger from her. The lady had family in town, including grandkids, and she wanted to make hamburgers. The lady wanted grass fed, no hormone, yada yada, beef so she bought some from the lady rancher. Now the women was vegetarian and had not eaten meat in decades but the rest of the family did not share her dietary exile. The lady would always cook herself a veggie burger while her husband would eat meat. As the lady was cooking up the hamburgers, she said the smell was so good that it was driving her to eat meat. :licking::laughing: The lady took the hamburgers as they were done to the dining room for her family and then she sat down with her own red meat hamburger. :laughing: Her family was in shock and could not believe that she was eating meet. :D The lady said the hamburgers just smelled too good and she had to have one. :laughing:

The rancher said the lady showed up the next week to buy more hamburger from her and had been buying ever since. :laughing:

I thought that was a danged funny story but I was not really buying it until I at the rancher's steak. :licking: Then I was a believ'n. :laughing:

Later,
Dan NowIAmHungryAgain.
 
/ Boston Butt #70  
This is what I like about BBQ folks; we can all have different opinions, different tastes and still be friends...we don't change each other's minds by cogent and clever arguments, but by exchanging recipes and cooking for our friends. It doesn't get much better than this!!!!!
 
/ Boston Butt #71  
Interesting thing I tried a couple years ago, that was really really good...

Was at a gun show, and a guy had a big trailered smoker there selling tri tip sandwhiches and what not. Well, he was also putting regular old frozen corn dogs from Costco in the smoker.... Those were just awesome corndogs! So simple, easy and YUMMY!
 
/ Boston Butt #73  
Yeah $30 sounds like a lot to some folks briskets are quite expensive true. We normally pay about $5-6 a pound for plain old CAB briskets (certified black angus briskets) in USDA choice. And most guys use packers which are un-trimmed and weigh between 16 and 18 lbs we normally wet age them for about 50 days also before a contest. fwtw

fwtw If a person can swing the money Japanese wagu (sp?) and USDA prime briskets will run a whole lot more than that a whole lot more and are worth every penny so long as you get them cooked right. :licking:

edit: this is why I always go thru the cases of big cuts at sams and the meat stores etc so I can pick my own cuts. quite often a prime brisket will get thru and some choice cuts are indistinguishable from prime its the feel of the cut the "flex" and mainly the fat striations and overall thickness for slicing properly you look for to compare cuts and no knife cuts anywhere on them to mess you up at turn in time. fwtw

If you are so inclined, I would be interested to hear more on how you cook (and age) a briskit. My results are all over the place; problem areas: too dry or too tough or both. My best briskit I ever cooked was covered heavily in sugar, allowed to sit over night and then prepared with my rubb and cooked at 250 until it reached 195. The next one, prepared the same way, was a bit too tough. I suspect it was the quality of the meat; my assumption was that the long, slow cook time would compensate for quality, but apparently not. To quote Forrest Gump; "You never know what you're going to get".
 
/ Boston Butt #74  
This is what I like about BBQ folks; we can all have different opinions, different tastes and still be friends...we don't change each other's minds by cogent and clever arguments, but by exchanging recipes and cooking for our friends. It doesn't get much better than this!!!!!

Oh, it could be MUCH better! ;)

We could all be sitting around with all of our different grills, smokers, and That Egg, :laughing:, while cooking/grilling/smoking MEAT ok, and CHEESE, talking smack about who has the best BBQ, eating the BBQ to find the best and drinking good beer. :licking::laughing::D

THAT would be MUCH better. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Later,
Dan
 
/ Boston Butt #75  
I have had good luck with brisket but it is much more difficult cook than cooking butt. Slather in rub, place on egg, indirect heat, at 225 degree dome temp and leave for 16 hours or until internal temp gets close to 190 degrees. When you think it is about one, stick a fork into it and twist...if there is lttle resistance it is done if not keep cooking and checking. I also normally cool my brisket down before eating because it will fall apart it is so tender.
 
/ Boston Butt #76  
For the record...I only have a medium sized egg but can cook 2 - 8 lb butts, 14 lb brisket, 16 lb turkey, or seven hamburgers at a time. I got a good deal on it and have cooked for many guests. The only downsize is I have a max cooking time of around 17 hours before having to add lump. A large can easily go 24 hours on a load.

Egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, .......:p
 
/ Boston Butt #77  
If you are so inclined, I would be interested to hear more on how you cook (and age) a briskit. My results are all over the place; problem areas: too dry or too tough or both. My best briskit I ever cooked was covered heavily in sugar, allowed to sit over night and then prepared with my rubb and cooked at 250 until it reached 195. The next one, prepared the same way, was a bit too tough. I suspect it was the quality of the meat; my assumption was that the long, slow cook time would compensate for quality, but apparently not. To quote Forrest Gump; "You never know what you're going to get".

Sure I will be very glad to share what I know like I mentioned getting the right piece of meat you think is good is half the challenge. Ive asked butchers etc how to pick meat and also learned in BBQ classes how various pro's do it so I do my best to do it like they do. Once you pick the right brisket I touched on that in my post and what I said is a pretty good rule of thumb if I see that the meat is about equal fat and meat in the grain I look closer at that one is where I start.

Then I look at it as far as how it will slice they need to be as close to equal in thickness from the edge of the point where the flat starts to the end of the cut where you start slicing it once its done. fwtw I look for knife cuts that are visible (not always can be seen in the cryovac but we look anyway) this wont be an issue for anything but a contest where the slices are each judged (you have 6 that are actually judged) and you only have so many slices to use anyway unless you cook 2 briskets. And some do some dont we always did and left over contest meat is great to feed the friends after the contest is over and take home.

The wet aging is done in a frig or walk in cooler etc that you dont use often dont attempt it in your beer fridge! :D The temp needs to be a constant 36-38 and stay there for the whole time. Next figuring out the kill date so the date they are ready is somewhat predictable another issue thats not so important to a backyard cookout but is if you have set contest dates known. Mostly un-frozen fresh meats like briskets are only a few days old when you see them. Sometimes there is a date on the label sometimes not and sometimes the meat man will have an idea. Give it 3-5 days if you dont know and thats what you take off the 45-50 day total time limit. edit: there will be a distinct odor not putrid but musty. all aged meat has a different smell to it I forgot to mention that and also we wash the meat off w/cold water and pat dry.

That's the start next flip the meat over so the label is on the back so you can see the bubbles that will tell you the aging progress and place it in the fridge and leave it alone. The bubbles will start to appear small at first. Dime size bubbles will be there in about 10-20 days, nickle size in 20-30, quarter size in 30-50 days. That is when they are at the peak any longer is not going to help the flavor its best not to go over 50. All this is going to depend on your fridge and how many times you change the temp by opening the door etc. Its bacteria that is doing the aging and some meat will not age this way if there is too much bacteria so if you see the bubbles accelerating faster than normal best use that one up or it will spoil.

As far as cooking them most guys I know and me too cook them at 250-275 and double wrap them at 160-165 and pull them off at 203 and open the foil so they quit cooking. Most of us also use multi layers of rubs and in certain steps its the part we all do our own way kind of the secret stuff sotospeak :laughing:. Some cut the point off at the 160 mark (we do) and put it on the smoker to make burnt ends with while the flat is wrapped and finished.

edit: Also briskets cook fast we rarely if ever need more than 8-9 hours 10-11 is really pushing it to do a brisket properly. I know for a fact Johnny Trigg only cooks his flats about 5 hours.

We dont leave any meat with rub on or injected for more than 4 hours period. Our reason being the high salt content will start curing/cooking the meat and will turn most cuts beef or pork into mush. But thats us ymmv on that as always but we experimented with brine (its allowed) also with good results but after so long trying all kinds of ways to prep we now try to make as few steps as possible anymore and still get the end product that works.

Lots of guys also inject the meat with either Butcher BBQ beef injection or whatever concoction they dream up or any number of commercial phosphate compounds. Sounds bad but it does improve the end product also costs a lot. Thats why a backyard cookout unless a person really wanted high marks he probably wouldn't use them. fwtw and I personally dont inject briskets I end up with more on me or the wall or the counter or the ceiling than in the meat so I dont inject them.

I hope I answered you questions! fwtw most of this info is also available on The Smoke Ring those are the folks that live and breathe BBQ so lots of great tips are there! :thumbsup:
 
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/ Boston Butt #78  
Thank you. I'll save this so I can study it later. As for the smoke ring, I have looked at it, and get some newsletters also, but it's confusing at best. I'm hoping to come up with a simplified plan before doing my next briskit.
 
/ Boston Butt #79  
Thank you. I'll save this so I can study it later. As for the smoke ring, I have looked at it, and get some newsletters also, but it's confusing at best. I'm hoping to come up with a simplified plan before doing my next briskit.

Welcome! I have found some of the info available is cryptic meaning a person has to read between the lines and insert what "obviously" missing etc so if thats what you refer to you are not alone.

The simplest plan I can suggest is get the best looking 5-6# flat you can find. Go thru all they have even ask for them to let you look in the back if you can. Trim the fat to about 1/4" and give it a med light/medium coat of Lowerys season salt and let it sit on the counter and sweat about an hour. Then rub it and over that put a med/med heavy coat of fresh ground black pepper smoke it fat up to 160-165. Double wrap it fat down and put a extra piece of foil on the rack and put the wrapped meat on top of that so it doesn't tear the foil and let the juices out. Then pull it off at 203 and let it rest an hour and slice it up this is about as fool proof as it gets I do it exactly like this all the time always comes out perfect, takes about 4.0-4.5 hrs maybe 5ish @ 250-275 depends on the smoker and the thermometers and the meat. hth :licking:
 
/ Boston Butt #80  
Welcome! I have found some of the info available is cryptic meaning a person has to read between the lines and insert what "obviously" missing etc so if thats what you refer to you are not alone.

The simplest plan I can suggest is get the best looking 5-6# flat you can find. Go thru all they have even ask for them to let you look in the back if you can. Trim the fat to about 1/4" and give it a med light/medium coat of Lowerys season salt and let it sit on the counter and sweat about an hour. Then rub it and over that put a med/med heavy coat of fresh ground black pepper smoke it fat up to 160-165. Double wrap it fat down and put a extra piece of foil on the rack and put the wrapped meat on top of that so it doesn't tear the foil and let the juices out. Then pull it off at 203 and let it rest an hour and slice it up this is about as fool proof as it gets I do it exactly like this all the time always comes out perfect, takes about 4.0-4.5 hrs maybe 5ish @ 250-275 depends on the smoker and the thermometers and the meat. hth :licking:

Thanks again. You know this goes against the conventional "wisdom" that seems to permeate the smoked briskit cult, but I'm going to try it. I may modify it slightly to use my own rubb, but I'm enthusiastic. Looked at some Angus briskits today, and they run considerably more than $30; some up in the $50 range. Thank you obama.
 
 
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